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[tribalmunky]

I recently bought a Syntax Olevia LT26HVX after doing some research on it, overall I'm satisfied with it. Except with PS2 games, obviously using regular composite cables yields a poor image, everything is blurry as hell. So I get Sony's component cables for it. I boot up God of War and saw how ugly and scaled it was (this has been on 4:3 the whole time). I enabled progressive scan, and it didn't look that great either. So I tried other games, progressive and non-progressive capable games. Everything just looks horribly scaled with the exception of Bujingai, it looks nigh perfect. What's going on?

[NightRain]

PS2 Sucks, on big TV's it doens't look very good. I have Xbox, PS2, Gamecube, and Xbox360. The PS2 looks the worst by far, although I don't really find it as bad as you mentioned and some games like GT4 look incredible.

[MrEastSide]

Yeah, while Cube and XBox look the best, I've not noticed the images looking bad. Just not as good. Sounds like there might be something else wrong with your setup cause it should still look clear, and sharp!

[Bambino]

my ps2 looks bad depending on the game.

MvC2 and Budokai 4 look fine, Fatal Frame 3 looks great, but god of war sucked big time, things like disgaea and FF Tactics also were horrendous.

[tribalmunky]

NightRain said:

PS2 Sucks, on big TV's it doens't look very good. I have Xbox, PS2, Gamecube, and Xbox360. The PS2 looks the worst by far, although I don't really find it as bad as you mentioned and some games like GT4 look incredible.

Well it's not a big TV, it's only 26 inches. Imagine using a 1024x768 wallpaper stretched into a 640x480 desktop resolution, it makes those weird artifacting lines in the image trying to squeeze into the small resolution, that's how it looks like on my TV when I play most PS2 games. Progressive scan isn't that big of a thing for me, but I would at least like the image to be tolerable on the games I play. Using regular A/V composite cables produces a way too blurry image for me to consider using them again. Would VGA boxes help since my TV has a VGA input? I was also looking at upscalers but they are a bit much for my already hurting wallet.

[ruslan74]

most of the PS2 games i am on the lookout for is Progressive Scan enabled. These look absolutely sweet on my 32" CRT with Progressive Scan. PoP:Sands of Time, Tekken 4, RE4 and Soul Calibur 2 are a beauty to play!

all the other non-PS enabled PS2 games i try to look out for the Xbox as they do loose their graphical appeal on a big TV. :(

[gsRt5]

ruslan74 said:

most of the PS2 games i am on the lookout for is Progressive Scan enabled. These look absolutely sweet on my 32" CRT with Progressive Scan. PoP:Sands of Time, Tekken 4, RE4 and Soul Calibur 2 are a beauty to play!  

all the other non-PS enabled PS2 games i try to look out for the Xbox as they do loose their graphical appeal on a big TV. :(

Yea, I was gonna say, most of my ps2 games look good on my 32" wwestinghouse....
In prog. scan they look really good, Im using monster cables, but that shouldnt make a big difference....
26" isnt big at all.......And on my 47"rpcrt the games, I think, look better....
Gun looks really good, its just one of the rescent games I have picked up....

[d2_s]

PS2 can actually look pretty great with the right set-up. If you have cash to spare I recommend using a scaler with the PS2 especially if you are a PAL-Gamer.

I found I can get positively excellent results with the PS2 in combination PAL 576i games (with no borders), with an IScan Ultra that scales deinterlaces the image and produces a very clean (clean not pure) 576p image. Some US NTSC 480i games produce results that are just as good (however, a handful of NTSC games and PAL games with borders wont look any better).

Though I have said this countless times on so many threads before...Gran Turismo 3 for example, looks far better in 576p using the above set-up than Grant Turismo 4 in 480p or 1080i. So if you have the funds and the time to tinker with your setup the results should be worth the effort (provding you have enough games to take advantage of it).

I am wondering what the PS3 will do with the PS2 games ... though I am am skeptical at this stage, there is a minute chance there could be some enhancement options available for PS2 games and I am almost banking on them having some form of enhancement (ala Bleem/ePSX) enhancements for PSOne games ... the reason being that they need to otherwise PSX Games just wont be worth the effort unless you want to look at chunky, blocky 3d with no texture perspective correction and cheap-ass polygons that break up due to lack of precision etc

[ruslan74]

excuse my ignorace and lack of google time at the moment, but whats a scaler and how would i use it to hook it up to my TV? :roll:

[Jmog]

ruslan74 said:

excuse my ignorace and lack of google time at the moment, but whats a scaler and how would i use it to hook it up to my TV?  :roll:

He actually just said so:
"with an IScan Ultra that scales deinterlaces the image"

"Scales" is another way of saying "converting the resolution" (in this case standard def to HD) and deinterlaces is the same as saying "make into progressive scan".

The Iscan pro and Iscan plus are both deinterlacers (or linedoublers). The Iscan Ultra, Iscan HD and other later models both deinterlace and scale the image.

What they do is the same thing your TV does with stuff in standard def. All HDTVs have scalers built in. They have to since it's the only way for them to show standard def material. External scalers/deinterlacers are just much better at doing it. If your TV has a lousy scaler then the improvement would be enormous. Even if the scaler is quite good, you should still see improvement using one of these - especially those that scale to HD.

As for hooking it up, it's wuite simple. They have inputs and outputs. Some more than others. On the HD model you can input anything from composite to component and output it through component, VGA or HDMI. Check dvdo.com for further details in each model. They are generally considered to be the only manufacturer of good deinterlaces at decent prices.

[tribalmunky]

Jmog said:

ruslan74 said:

excuse my ignorace and lack of google time at the moment, but whats a scaler and how would i use it to hook it up to my TV?  :roll:

He actually just said so:
"with an IScan Ultra that scales deinterlaces the image"

"Scales" is another way of saying "converting the resolution" (in this case standard def to HD) and deinterlaces is the same as saying "make into progressive scan".

The Iscan pro and Iscan plus are both deinterlacers (or linedoublers). The Iscan Ultra, Iscan HD and other later models both deinterlace and scale the image.

What they do is the same thing your TV does with stuff in standard def. All HDTVs have scalers built in. They have to since it's the only way for them to show standard def material. External scalers/deinterlacers are just much better at doing it. If your TV has a lousy scaler then the improvement would be enormous. Even if the scaler is quite good, you should still see improvement using one of these - especially those that scale to HD.

As for hooking it up, it's wuite simple. They have inputs and outputs. Some more than others. On the HD model you can input anything from composite to component and output it through component, VGA or HDMI. Check dvdo.com for further details in each model. They are generally considered to be the only manufacturer of good deinterlaces at decent prices.

Ouch, that's alot more than I'm willing to spend. At work I came across the Viewsonic N6 Video Processor. Would something like that work?

[Jmog]

That would work. Whether it's good or not, I don't know.

[Rock_Loi]

Hey, I have a Dell W2600 26" TV, and I notice almost no difference between running games in 480i and 480p. They still look really good, not as sharp as Xbox, but the PS2 component cables I have are pretty cheap.

In my manual it claims something about having a built in de-interlacer that's

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probably better than the one in your DVD player

You think that's the reason I'm not seeing much of a difference?

I've thought about buying a scaler before, but at the price, hassle, the need for an additional appliance in my set up, the fact that my TV is only 26" and seems to have a pretty good scaler anyway, and with HD gaming and cable TV round the corner in the UK, it's not quite economical. :?

But generally the PS2 looks worse than my Xbox, is this due to generally not being able to output as crisp an image? Or just my cheap cables? Because I can't find better cables to the UK, and a lot of import sites fail to stock them nowadays. Only ones I find are the same as I already have except cost up to 5 times as much. (Thank you lik-sang payback points for my free component cable :) )

[sark45]

Yup 480I in games like MGS3 and Devil may cry 3 look like crap on my HDTV. Yes 480P looks alot better in games that support it. When people find this out then like myself we start whining abotu 480P support!

[Jmog]

Rock_Loi said:

In my manual it claims something about having a built in de-interlacer that's

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probably better than the one in your DVD player

You think that's the reason I'm not seeing much of a difference?

Most likely.

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But generally the PS2 looks worse than my Xbox, is this due to generally not being able to output as crisp an image? Or just my cheap cables?

When running in 480i, the PS2 (with good cables) normally output a more sharp image than the Xbox. In order to make Xbox games look less jaggied than PS2 games, MS have included some image filters which actually blur the image. These filters are deactivated when running in progressive. In progressive, the two consoles ought to output equally sharp images if both sets of cables are of good quality so I'm guessing your PS2 cables aren't as good as the Xbox ones.

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Because I can't find better cables to the UK, and a lot of import sites fail to stock them nowadays.

I'd try getting the official or Monster cables from Ebay. Look out for people who sell third party cables but claim they are sony. The images usually give them away. Pictures taken by the selller himself where you can see the cable in question is the safest bet.

[Rock_Loi]

Yeah jmog, had a quick look ages ago, seemed to be almost nothing, will check now and then though.

Another question, which is releventish enough to this thread.

My brother just bought an LCD TV, whilst it has a DVI/VGA in and a maximum resolution of 1280x768, but no component inputs.

This normally deems it to be "non-HD ready" etc, but using an upscaler with a DVI/VGA out, can one get 480p out of the PS2/Xbox and 720p from the Xbox/360?

Only upscaler I've really looked at is the XRGB2, which doesn't support progressive scan, which sounds almost like a waste of time.