[Joe Redifer]

OK. I am sick of the lousy composite video my Genesis/Sega CD/32X combo puts out. Would something like this work with my US NTSC Genesis:

Genesis SCART cable

Scart RGB to YUV converter


Keep in mind that we in the US do not use SCART, but that shouldn't make any difference for what I want to do. My only concern is will this work in NTSC since my TV only accepts NTSC input. I don't want the SCART RGB to YUV converter outputting PAL signal, but it shouldn't since the RGB input would be 60Hz, correct?

This is an expensive solution, and I don't mind spending the money, but I want to be sure that it will work first!

Ds_2/D2_s, help me out here with your knowledge!

[d2_s]

You know what Joe ... that's a darn good question.

In theory it should work but my concern would be what an NTSC genesis does with a SCART cable in the first place ... hmmm ...

This requires some research and some potential experiementation

[Joe Redifer]

I received my answer elsewhere. Should work fine. I believe the DIN layout on the NTSC Genesis is the same as the PAL Mega Drive. I don't see why they would be any different. I know the NTSC Genesis outputs RGB.

I just wish this adapter did S-video as well as component. Oh well.

[DJ Lushious]

Before my house got robbed I did own an s-video cable for the Genesis. The difference wasn't huge, due to the Genesis' capabilities, but it was pretty cool to have. Of course, now I can't find one anywhere! :angry2:

[dj898]

heard someone successfully mod for s-video using US X'Eye - that is bastard conversion of JVC Wondermega 2.
unlike JVC Wondermega 2 which featured wireless controller and s-video as standard someone thought it would be good idea to remove those for US market. However apparently the MB inside X'Eye is basically the same one in Wondermega 2 and even had the place where S-video encoder parts were suppose to be...

as far as I know only Wondermega 1 (both from Sega and JVC) and Wongdermega 2 from JVC featured the S-video as standard output. You just plug in the normal S-video cable into the console and TV.

that's what I remember anyway.

[Joe Redifer]

Wow I can't believe this thread is still around. I haven't been to these forums much since they got tons upon tons of sub-forums, making them a bit more of a pain to navigate and read.

Anyway, that setup did work. Every single game system I own except the 8-bit NES is now hooked up in component video. The NES is not capable of proper RGB even with additional chips from the old Nintendo arcade machines, so it will forever live in composite land.

The game systems I have hooked up in COMPONENT video are:

-Sega Genesis (with Sega CD and 32X)
-Sega Master System
-Sega Saturn
-Sega Dreamcast
-Super Nintendo
-Nintendo 64 (still looks like crap because of the super-blurry graphics)
-Nintendo Gamecube
-Sony Playstation 2
-TurboGrafx-16 CD-ROM (with Arcade card) - This system is known as PC Engine elsewhere
-Xbox
-Xbox360
-Neo Geo

If you have a good TV, the result of component video is no different than true RGB. Yes, it uses less bandwidth, but the result is the same due to the way component works. It took awhile for me to find a proper analog SDTV that had an acceptable picture. I went with a Toshiba 20 inch. They aren't made by Toshiba but by some other company (who also makes Panasonics in that size range). The reds are awesome. The Samsung TV I tried blew chunks and the Sony was a bit better but still didn't have high enough horizontal resolution for the Master System (which I demonstrated in the store while playing Ys).

Check out the article I wrote about it at Sega-16:
Clicky clicky

Just be aware that I was taking pics from my older 13 inch TV which had component inputs, not the Toshiba.

This post has been edited by Joe Redifer: 06 September 2006 - 07:04 PM

[d2_s]

JOE IS BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:D :D :D :D :D :D

Please don't leave us again Joe, please :( :cray:

[Joe Redifer]

Ha ha I'll try. I have an Xbox360 now so I have more reason to stay.

[whotheheck]

wow, you even have the master system on component? Good job!

[Foe-hammer]

pft.....not only can I hook up the NES via component to an HDTV, but the ATARI 7800 as well. And not only that, but both in 720p to boot.

Technically no with the actual physical systems, but yes via xbox emulators; the only way to play.

[MrEastSide]

I really gotta ask, Why would you even take the time doing all this? Are the pictures on the old systems really that amazing given the type of graphics available on them? I play all my old stuff in composite or RF and I really can't imagine caring too much about component for them. Other than for the simple fact of saying I have them hooked up via component... :dntknw:

[whotheheck]

Did I hear someone say RF????????? *ears explode*


I think S-Video looks fine but composite and RF are horrible, even for old systems.

[d2_s]

 MrEastSide, on Sep 14 2006, 06:04 PM, said:

I play all my old stuff in composite or RF

BLASPHEMER!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

In case you haven't noticed this is HDTVArcade not RFArcade :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Phredreeke]

RF vs. composite: Noise. RF is very noisy. Also plugging in systems using RF will degrade your analog tv picture (in case you still watch such) Also, RF is mono only (doesn't matter for pre-Genesis video games, since those were only mono to begin with)
Composite vs. S-video: Dot crawl and rainbows. In "quick color transitions", the tv mistakes the color signal for luminance, causing a zipper pattern. High frequency luminance is mistaken for color signal, which causes rainbow swirling. Both of these can be improved although not entirely eliminated by comb filters
S-video vs. RGB: Color definition. S-video is still limited to the chroma bandwidth of the NTSC or PAL system. Also poorly shielded S-video cables can cause a checkerboard pattern to leak from the chroma signal into the luminance signal

Low colordepth systems may in fact suffer more from RF/composite connections, due to more sudden color transitions!

[Bambino]

 d2_s, on Sep 14 2006, 04:36 AM, said:

In case you haven't noticed this is HDTVArcade not RFArcade :lol: :lol: :lol:

hahahahahaha :rofl: :rofl:

[MrEastSide]

Yeah, I know, I know. But, come on now. NES, or even SNES or Genesis. Do you really care THAT much about what type of cables you're using to play with? Maybe it's just me. I'm all for high def on all my stuff. But, come on now. Or the atari games... give me a break!

[Foe-hammer]

 MrEastSide, on Sep 14 2006, 06:39 PM, said:

Yeah, I know, I know. But, come on now. NES, or even SNES or Genesis. Do you really care THAT much about what type of cables you're using to play with? Maybe it's just me. I'm all for high def on all my stuff. But, come on now. Or the atari games... give me a break!

Most definently. I want the best possible picture available, no matter how archaic the system is.

[whotheheck]

the SNES looks WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY better using an S-Video cable than composite. You should try it.

[MrEastSide]

 whotheheck, on Sep 14 2006, 11:37 PM, said:

the SNES looks WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY better using an S-Video cable than composite. You should try it.

I'm sure it does. My point is, most people don't play the SNES or NES a whole heck of a lot anymore. I do play mine occasionally, but it's not enough to want to make a big deal out of which cables I am using. I guess if I played it everyday for 5+ hours like I do my 360 then I might care, but I don't. :dntknw:

[whotheheck]

I think it is just a hobby of his.