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@  Brandino : (21 May 2017 - 09:39 PM) I watched only tid bits of the live stream... read much more online.  I'm very skeptical... it seems like they copied a lot of multiplayer ideas from Halo 5 and aside from bigger levels... wasn't really sold on the single player content
@  d2_s : (23 May 2017 - 06:29 AM) I was really impressed with the live stream and am looking forward to the game.  The only disappointment to me was all PvP modes being 4v4. Seems like a big step backwards if you ask me.
@  d2_s : (23 May 2017 - 04:27 PM) And of course still no dedicated servers...PvE looks solid though..
@  TonyDP : (23 May 2017 - 09:04 PM) Also not wild about the new weapon loadout system: two primaries and either a special or a heavy. It feels like another attempt to get players to focus on primaries in PvP but compromises your options in PvE.
@  ermac666 : (24 May 2017 - 06:46 AM) Games I am looking forward to for the rest of 2017 are tekken 7, uncharted lost legacy dlc, COD WWII, sonic forces, middle earth shadow of war and marvel vs capcom infinite.
@  colonel_j2020 : (01 June 2017 - 06:31 PM) The only new game this year I know I will play is destiny 2...mostly since I never played the first one.  I am curious about Sea Of Thieves and Crackdown 3.
@  ermac666 : (02 June 2017 - 10:16 AM) I just got tekken 7 on the ps4. Man, the presentation is top notch and the story mode was intense. i enjoyed it very much. Music is alo amazing. Tekken series always  has no shortage of good presentation and music along with fun gameplay. Highly recommend it!
@  d2_s : (06 June 2017 - 10:25 AM) @Tony I'm also iffy on the new loadout system. Seems like PvE is being limited by a loadout system that seems geared towards PvP. I am really disappointed by the PvP announcements. Just making it more competitive and geared towards pure PvP players IMO, but no dedicated servers and only 30fps goes against that. Time will tell.
@  d2_s : (06 June 2017 - 10:28 AM) @Ermac Tekken 7 is a very polished title, one of the best fighters available if not the best currently IMO. Speaking of polished titles I've been playing Wipeout Omega collection. It's simply sublime on PS4 Pro @2160p running at a rock solid 60fps.
@  TonyDP : (06 June 2017 - 05:30 PM) @d2_s, I've pretty much decided that I'm going to pass on Destiny 2; I really don't want to sink over a thousand hours into one game anymore and since picking up my PSVR "flat" games have become far less interesting.
@  d2_s : (07 June 2017 - 04:55 PM) I don't blame you. I'm already in, but unless it blows me away I wont be putting anywhere near the time I put into D1.
@  ermac666 : (13 June 2017 - 09:38 PM) Sony E3 presentaion is a mixed bag for me. The games shown are what I want, and I will definitely buy the games. The games are there, but the show itself was weak. They just showed slide after slide with no hype or presentation between them. Games/exclusives were great, but the energy wasn't there. My gripe is with the show itself, and not the games.
@  Brandino : (14 June 2017 - 01:16 AM) What's sad was Mario Odyssey graphically looks worse then Yooka Laylee...  Metroid Prime 4 is not being developed by Retro...
@  Brandino : (14 June 2017 - 01:17 AM) What's awesome was the South park video game looked hilarious and way over the top
@  TonyDP : (14 June 2017 - 08:37 PM) All the E3 presentations I saw were pretty blah. For me, Sony had the best games and their PSVR lineup was particularly impressive and showed a lot of potential. The XB1X disappointed me; it seems overpowered given the lack of 1st party titles and no VR support. I doubt much software will tap its full potential.
@  ermac666 : (17 June 2017 - 09:16 PM) I was watching a few vids on digital foundry's analysis on the XB1X. It seems that forza 7 was the only game that is native 4k, 60 fps. The rest shown at E3 like assassins creed origins are mostly checkerboard upscaled to 4K like the ps4 pro. I don't know if the XB1X is held back for parity with 3rd party games or if the XB1X is not powerful enough to handle 4K with no issues.
@  d2_s : (17 June 2017 - 10:00 PM) I read the same thing. I honestly never expected the majority of games to be native 4k anyway. It's a nicely balanced system with some nice grunt for a console, but it's no miracle box. I look forward to seeing how the XB1X and the Pro are used now that both major platforms have Faux K options devs will be supporting more.
@  TonyDP : (19 June 2017 - 07:10 PM) This is typical of 3rd party development though; they almost NEVER take full advantage of a specific platform's hardware. First party MS games like Forza will look the best, third party stuff like ACO will look comparable across all the platforms.
@  d2_s : (19 June 2017 - 10:16 PM) I'm in agreement with you Tony and I would hazzard a guess that Sony's own exclusives will be impressive enough that people wont be wishing they were on XB1X much like the X1's exclusives were technically as good as anything else.
@  ermac666 : (20 June 2017 - 06:37 AM) I am quite impressed with the ps4 exclusives like days gone where there are tons of zombies on screen, and the game still maintains the frame rate and graphical fidelity. It is also no typical shooter where you endlessly just shoot down zombies. You have to utilise the environments and stealth to play. Story looks to be good as well.

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#1 TonyDP

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Posted 11 June 2017 - 06:22 PM

So, what did everyone think about Microsoft's E3 presentation and the new Xbox one X?

I've been an Xbox owner since the OG console all the way back in 2001; bought every one of their consoles since then multiple times; but I must confess to being pretty disappointed by this presentation. Forza 7 and Sea of Thieves look mildly interesting but everything else left me cold. Pretty graphics alone are not enough to get me interested in dropping $60 on a game anymore and most of the games shown just have mechanics that I've played to death for years now.

Quite honestly the Xbox One X as it is being called felt like a waste of horsepower. All those specs but nothing groundbreaking in terms of the experience of playing a game. No new game ideas, no new controllers, no VR/AR, just largely more of the same, only slightly prettier. MS really played it safe on this one; nothing daring and no real vision at all. Really disappointed and no compelling reason yet for me to pre-order the new console.


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Posted 11 June 2017 - 08:41 PM

The other concern I have is all they did was push 4k, 4k, 4k, 4k, 4k.  I feel many there are quite a few people like me who still have good 1080p screens and wont get much out of the super sampling to 1080p.
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Posted 12 June 2017 - 08:53 AM

I thought that they had a good showing. The multiplats like assassins creed look great. I like the new setting. It may have the same gameplay, but it also looks and feels fresh at the same time. Some of the exclusives like forza 7, state of decay 2 and crackdown 3 looked good as well. Anthem looked stunning. Is Anthem a multiplat? Regardless, the XB1X version of it looked nice, and a good way to close the show.

XBOX One X being smaller than the xbox one s is interesting for a more powerful console. The specs reveal was what I expected since I have been reading about it.
What I am curious about is how they will improve the old XBOX One games that are already downgraded in terms of effects/textures over the base ps4 version. Are they just going to just up res those games?

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Posted 12 June 2017 - 05:21 PM

Anthem is multi-platform; I think MS has some timed exclusive content but still, they acted like it was a console exclusive, which I thought was pretty pathetic and showed how little first party stuff they had.

I was actually kind of disappointed by what I saw of Crackdown; graphically it didn't seem like the quantum leap MS was promising.

Like Colonel mentioned, they seemed fixated with repeating again and again the "4K" mantra. I'm another person who has a perfectly good 1080p TV and I can't really justify picking up a 4K model right now, not to mention the fact that as I own over 100 3D movies I'm not particularly happy that hardly any new 4K TVs even support 3D anymore.

Also, even though I wasn't expecting any formal VR announcement, I was really disappointed by their completely ignoring it. Instead of the incessant emphasis on 4K and all the retreads and sequels I would have liked to have seen a bit more in the way of innovation when it comes to how the games are played. Sadly there was none of that.

If my current Xbox One S fails, then I might take a look at the X but at this juncture, after having enjoyed my time with PSVR, I was seriously disappointed and underwhelmed as "flat" gaming just doesn't have the appeal for me that it once had.

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Posted 13 June 2017 - 04:42 PM

I hear you Tony. I felt that E3 as a whole was underwhelming this year. MS's presenation wasn't the worst, but it wasn't the best either. MS has certainly built a nice piece of hardware and will likely be the place for 3rd party titles from here on out, but what about exclusives? What about innovation? These are the things that make consoles relevant in the first place. This is something their main competitor has over them.

The Pro may not be the big boy - in terms of horsepower - on the market anymore, but what it will have is exclusives and lots of them and those exclusives will look the business just as exclusives do on any other platform do. This is what MS really needs, but I'm not sure it's their main focus anymore. I think MS are playing the long game and are consolidating their platform going forward. Games and innovation will come I'm sure, but in what quantities? And how long do people need to wait? In the meantime their competition has games and innovations like VR that people can enjoy now.

Anyway, XB1X will retail for $650 AUD, which is about the same price the premium 360 launched in Australia. That's a decent price and i'll save a chunk by selling/trading my Day One XB1 and XB1S so I guess I'm in day one.


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Posted 14 June 2017 - 01:16 AM

Reports I read was that Crackdown 3 looked bad and that the fully destructible environments are only for PVP multiplayer???

I don't get the love for Sea of Thieves... I can't imagine that being fun for more then a few hours?  I could see if they had massive on land levels to explore as a team... the ship sailing reminds me of the worst parts of Wind Waker... the Ubisoft pirate game also looked much cleaner and better.  

What got my juices flowing though was Anthem... looked awesome.
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Posted 14 June 2017 - 04:51 PM

Video footage of Crackdown single player was disappointing, but if it's as fun as the original I'm still in.

Like B I am not excited about Sea of Thieves and that as much as it pains me to admit, that Ubisoft Pirate game looked more impressive.

Anthem looked graphically awesome, but we'll see how it pans out...looks like another Destiny type game to me. If the game can back up those visuals, then I'm definately in.

I guess going forward I'll be picking up more multiplats on XB1X, but we'll see how that pans out. My main concern is 3rd parties holding back to maintain relative platform parity, but that's a whole other discussion.

Another aside, I saw a recent interview with Phil Spencer and he stated that MS doesn't have any firm commitments as far as AR or VR goes and though they are investigating, he doesn't see a real demand for it on Xbox at this point in time. So it looks like Sony will have a monopoly in the console VR space for the time being.

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Posted 14 June 2017 - 08:30 PM

The potentially interesting hook with Sea of Thieves is that you can party up to play the game, with each person having a different role. Obviously a lot will depend on how much you have to do and how well its supported post launch. Still, it will also run on the XB1S and given the graphical style, I don't think the experience will be that much better on the XB1X (something I think will be true of most games).

The problem with the XB1X is that, as D2 said, there are few exclusives and 3rd party developers will do little more than hit that 4k checkbox. Historically first party games are the ones that take most advantage of hardware and MS has precious few of those. Bungie has already said Destiny 2 will be capped at 30fps on all consoles; I see more 3rd party developers taking that lowest common denominator approach as well.

Microsoft's stance on VR is puzzling to me. They say it is best suited to the PC, yet Sony's PSVR has sold more units than both Oculus and Vive combined despite being commercially available for a shorter period of time. PC based VR is expensive and beyond the scope of the average consumer. The install base of PCs may be large, but the percentage of those that can run VR is probably a small fraction, and of those, the number that will actually shell out the money for a PC based VR solution is even smaller. VR's best chance of becoming successful is on the consumer level, not with the PC enthusiast.

Sony on the other hand had a lot of impressive looking VR software: Skyrim, Doom, ROM, Arizona Sunshine, Archangel, The Persistence and more. And a lot of those are coming out before the end of the year (some within the next few weeks).

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Posted 16 June 2017 - 11:32 PM

Anthem does get me excited.  I feel Bioware can't really make a good RPG anymore IMO so maybe this is the right place for them to go.

I am interested in Sea of Theives but as Brandino said, I am not sure how exciting it will be for how long.

I'm mostly hyped for destiny 2 on PC since I never played the first one.
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Posted 17 June 2017 - 10:56 PM

My confidence in Bioware isn't exactly sky high these days. Anthem is technically very nice, but based on my initial impressions it looks like a team based loot shooter. Whether it's more like Borderlands or more like Destiny will heavily sway my opinion. Destiny - in my opinion - has some of the most refined shooter mechanics to ever grace a console. So if that's what they're going up against, then Bioware has their work cut out. Of course, this could all mean nothing in the PC space with K&M support.

Anyway, I hope you enjoy D2. I'm almost tempted to pick it up for PC myself just to see it in 4K @ framerates higher than 30.

@Tony just one other thing regarding XB1X and VR. There have been rumours for some time of Oculus working with it and should they prove true, then maybe it's the case that MS aren't against 3rd partys experimenting with VR until they're ready to officially support it? It would be better than nothing, but without a breakout box of some kind I'm not sure what the quality would be like. Time will tell Inguess, but I'm certain they haven't been idle despite their official stance.

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 07:18 PM

Bioware said that they have a 10 year plan with Anthem. Now where have I heard that line before? Like you said, they have their work cut out for them, especially after the dasappointing Mass Effect Andromeda. Personally, I have little interest in another 1,000 hour grindfest like Destiny. That was fun once but I do not want to give up all my gaming time to one title anymore.

As for XB1X and VR, who knows what will happen d2. Oculus support might be interesting but the headset resolution is only a bit better than PSVR and it suffers from the "godrays" with its fresnel lenses. I also have a hard time believing they would be able to release an XB1X solution with MS' blessing; it would be only one firmware update from being obsolete. And lets not forget their ongoing problems with Zenimax. As long as Sony continues to push PSVR I'll be happy and if I get the itch for something more compelling I might just try a PC solution.




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