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@  d2_s : (06 June 2017 - 10:28 AM) @Ermac Tekken 7 is a very polished title, one of the best fighters available if not the best currently IMO. Speaking of polished titles I've been playing Wipeout Omega collection. It's simply sublime on PS4 Pro @2160p running at a rock solid 60fps.
@  TonyDP : (06 June 2017 - 05:30 PM) @d2_s, I've pretty much decided that I'm going to pass on Destiny 2; I really don't want to sink over a thousand hours into one game anymore and since picking up my PSVR "flat" games have become far less interesting.
@  d2_s : (07 June 2017 - 04:55 PM) I don't blame you. I'm already in, but unless it blows me away I wont be putting anywhere near the time I put into D1.
@  ermac666 : (13 June 2017 - 09:38 PM) Sony E3 presentaion is a mixed bag for me. The games shown are what I want, and I will definitely buy the games. The games are there, but the show itself was weak. They just showed slide after slide with no hype or presentation between them. Games/exclusives were great, but the energy wasn't there. My gripe is with the show itself, and not the games.
@  Brandino : (14 June 2017 - 01:16 AM) What's sad was Mario Odyssey graphically looks worse then Yooka Laylee...  Metroid Prime 4 is not being developed by Retro...
@  Brandino : (14 June 2017 - 01:17 AM) What's awesome was the South park video game looked hilarious and way over the top
@  TonyDP : (14 June 2017 - 08:37 PM) All the E3 presentations I saw were pretty blah. For me, Sony had the best games and their PSVR lineup was particularly impressive and showed a lot of potential. The XB1X disappointed me; it seems overpowered given the lack of 1st party titles and no VR support. I doubt much software will tap its full potential.
@  ermac666 : (17 June 2017 - 09:16 PM) I was watching a few vids on digital foundry's analysis on the XB1X. It seems that forza 7 was the only game that is native 4k, 60 fps. The rest shown at E3 like assassins creed origins are mostly checkerboard upscaled to 4K like the ps4 pro. I don't know if the XB1X is held back for parity with 3rd party games or if the XB1X is not powerful enough to handle 4K with no issues.
@  d2_s : (17 June 2017 - 10:00 PM) I read the same thing. I honestly never expected the majority of games to be native 4k anyway. It's a nicely balanced system with some nice grunt for a console, but it's no miracle box. I look forward to seeing how the XB1X and the Pro are used now that both major platforms have Faux K options devs will be supporting more.
@  TonyDP : (19 June 2017 - 07:10 PM) This is typical of 3rd party development though; they almost NEVER take full advantage of a specific platform's hardware. First party MS games like Forza will look the best, third party stuff like ACO will look comparable across all the platforms.
@  d2_s : (19 June 2017 - 10:16 PM) I'm in agreement with you Tony and I would hazzard a guess that Sony's own exclusives will be impressive enough that people wont be wishing they were on XB1X much like the X1's exclusives were technically as good as anything else.
@  ermac666 : (20 June 2017 - 06:37 AM) I am quite impressed with the ps4 exclusives like days gone where there are tons of zombies on screen, and the game still maintains the frame rate and graphical fidelity. It is also no typical shooter where you endlessly just shoot down zombies. You have to utilise the environments and stealth to play. Story looks to be good as well.
@  Brandino : (30 June 2017 - 01:36 AM) The SNES classic ....  only 20 somewhat games is a bit of a disappointment.   The urge to buy a raspberry pi with a snes case is much higher then dropping 100 on something with corded controllers and 20 games
@  SpaceInsomniac : (09 July 2017 - 04:44 AM) So Kyle / Direwolf: I just recently picked up Rocket League again after not playing since the first month or so.  Still great fun, but I was wondering if you could suggest any You Tube tutorials or anything for new-ish players.  Anything come to mind?
@  kyle_5_16 : (19 July 2017 - 10:56 AM) Honestly I don't really know of any tutorials online, I never really watched any, just played a LOT
@  kyle_5_16 : (19 July 2017 - 10:56 AM) The training in that game is great for building up your mechanics though
@  kyle_5_16 : (19 July 2017 - 10:57 AM) and people make and share all sorts of custom training scenarios too
@  kyle_5_16 : (19 July 2017 - 10:57 AM) after that it is learning the basics or teamplay (if you aren't doing solos) and overall team rotation, which I do know there are tutorials on, i'll see if I can find them
@  kyle_5_16 : (19 July 2017 - 11:09 AM) https://www.reddit.c...ositioning_and/
@  SpaceInsomniac : (20 July 2017 - 07:33 AM) Cool.  Thanks for the advice!

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#1 ermac666

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Posted 15 July 2016 - 05:09 AM

We have seen some past leaks on the 4.4 TF of power and other details. Apparently, more details have been leaked on the resolution strategies.

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http://wccftech.com/... (WCCFtech.com)

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Posted 16 July 2016 - 09:32 PM

From the article:

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... the PlayStation 4 Neo will have a Jaguar CPU with 8 cores running at 2.1 GHz. The GPU will feature 36 Compute Units running at 911 MHz for a 2.3X improvement in Teraflops, while the memory will still be 8GB GDDR5 though the bandwidth will be higher at 218 GB/s.
And the Atari Jaguar lives on in another form, (not just as dental hardware anymore). Atari never dies! I knew the Jag was underrated.
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Posted 23 July 2016 - 07:25 PM

One thing I really hope is that with the new hardware they focus less on resolution and more on performance. I'd much rather see 1080p/1440p games (upscaled to 4K) runnng at 60fps than the garbage frame rates console games have been getting in general this generation.

I know it wont work out that way, we'll just get the same crappy running software in higher res.

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Posted 23 July 2016 - 09:37 PM

I don't mind 1080p at a solid 60 fps. For the hardware that they are bringing, it should be fine if devs optimize their games. This is something the original ps4 should have been - 1080p, 60 fps on graphically demanding games with no issues....
If they wanted a higher res, they should have waited a while to release a more powerful console like MS is going to do with the scorpio next year.

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Posted 25 July 2016 - 05:58 PM

My main concern is devs prioritising resolution along with bells and whistles over frame rates. Neo and Scorpio should be capable of doing really nice games at around 1440p with solid frame rates. I'm just not confident that will happen - old habits die hard.

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Posted 26 July 2016 - 06:09 PM

d2, I agree, though would be awesome if devs saw players like having choices in their video quality & just expanded on that & expanded the video options for players to choose like pc's do. Or maybe, just maybe, they would lazily port from a PC & leave those video sliders in the menu now that there will be multiple levels of consoles. :cool:
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Posted 27 July 2016 - 08:25 AM

View Postd2_s, on 25 July 2016 - 05:58 PM, said:

My main concern is devs prioritising resolution along with bells and whistles over frame rates. Neo and Scorpio should be capable of doing really nice games at around 1440p with solid frame rates. I'm just not confident that will happen - old habits die hard.

Screenshots sell a lot of games and you can't tell how shitty the framerate is in a screenshot.Having become very used to a 144hz 1440p monitor I can't really stand to play consoles at all anymore, the framerates this generation are way too "cinematic" for me.

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Posted 29 July 2016 - 07:06 AM

Digital foundry built a PC using ps4 neo-type specs, and you can see the frame rate breakdown as you read the article. It could comfortably run games at 1080p and exceed 60 fps, and it does ok in 1440p as well. However, in 4k it runs between 20-30 fps.
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http://www.eurogamer...on-neo-gpu-tech

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Posted 07 September 2016 - 09:11 PM

The official name is PS4 Pro.

Link to the console and it's specs. I do think that they could have used a better design.
http://www.gamespot....d/1100-6443352/

I noticed that the wifi has been improved to AC standards. About time I guess.. It has HDR support, and it will be patched in to all ps4 models. Existing games like uncharted 4 will be patched to take advantage of the pro version as well as upcoming games like COD infinite warfare and horizon. 1 TB capacity for the hard drive.

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Posted 08 September 2016 - 08:20 PM

Pretty disappointed by the PS4 Pro reveal as it looked to me like the focus was on 4K/HDR rather than performance. I'd rather see a game running at 1080p/60fps than 4k/30fps but something tells me the latter is what games running on the Pro will be shooting for. I was at least hoping that the Pro would improve PSVR performance but even that wasn't really explored in the presentation. It all seems like a ploy for Sony to sell more 4K TV's, not improve the gaming experience. I also read that the Pro won't even play 4K blu-rays. That is pretty pathetic if true.

Really nothing here to make me want to upgrade yet, especially as I don't have a 4K TV.

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Posted 09 September 2016 - 09:16 PM

To be honest, the lack of a 4k blu-ray player is a non-issue since most people nowdays use streaming sites like netflix and other sites to view movies online, and you can get 4k content as well. Also, inclusion of new movie players don't really have much impact on sales like it used to, and sony don't really have much to gain from it unlike in 2006 where there were competing formats like the HD-DVD, and the xbox 360 had a lead in sales, or back in 2000 where dvds were a big deal and helped shift units. Perhaps the exclusion of 4k blu-ray player, taking into account all of the newer tech they packed in there, could keep the cost at $399.

They are giving developers flexibility on the resolution. They are fine with devs prioritizing 1080p at a higher frame rate. The upcoming tomb raider game supports 3 modes.
https://www.vg247.co...ons-on-ps4-pro/

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Posted 10 September 2016 - 02:38 AM

The PS4 Pro presentation certainly was lacklustre. I really wasn't expecting the Pro out this year and I'm wondering if Sony has bitten off more than it can chew launching two new platforms this holiday season?

I guess the hardware deals were done with AMD already and time is of the essence in getting the system out for the holidays to compliment PSVR, not to mention getting a headstart on MS who should have the premium end of the market catered for next holiday season.

Omitting UHD Blu Ray was likely to keep costs down so they can market it as a more accessible option to 4k and VR gaming and maintain a decent price advantage in the long run. It's a big feature to leave out though and I'm wondering if in the long term they would have been better off taking the hit and including it, as it's a major feature the so-called tech enthusiasts they are wanting to appeal to will want?

Looks like they've chosen to position the PS4 family as a gaming platform first and foremost and looks like they'll be maintaining their price advantage, but this time by sacrificing it's status of being the premium home console - in 12 months time anyway. They have the budget end of the market tied up with PS4 slim, which is a more capable and cheaper option than the X1S and they'll have the cheaper 4KVR system.

In terms of value for money, it will arguably be the best value console money can buy for some time. Over here it's only $10 more than an Xbox One S and features a GPU comparable to an nvidia 970gtx, which is a considerable leap over the standard PS4 & XB1.

Interesting times head that's for sure. I look forward to hearing more about what this will do for VR seeing as they did say this is one of the major reasons PS4 Pro exists next to HDR/4K

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Posted 15 September 2016 - 06:48 PM

I wonder if they could make an add-on 4K player for those who really want it. Designing it would be a snap. Just make it look like a 4th layer to be put on top. Bonus would be it no longer looks like a Big Mac. That would also explain why they went with such a goofy design for the PS4 Pro. I just wonder if USB 3.0 can handle that kind of bandwidth.

I also wonder if something could be made to be set on the PS4 to make it look like one of those pyramid ships in Stargate. That would look cool. Albeit not practical for most people's entertainment shelves.
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Posted 15 September 2016 - 08:50 PM

Even if they could make a UHD add-on I doubt it would sell that well or be worth the effort for them - I'm personally over add-ons and clutter, but that's me. I'm sure PS4 Pro 2, PS5 or whatever is coming next will include one. Perhaps they'll do a special edition pro or something with a UHD drive in the future? Not sure how feasible it will be for them though - guess it will depend on demand and how cheap they can do them for that production run. Apparently it costs MS $15 per unit to include a UHD drive in the xbone S.

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Posted 18 September 2016 - 10:48 AM

View Postd2_s, on 15 September 2016 - 08:50 PM, said:

Even if they could make a UHD add-on I doubt it would sell that well or be worth the effort for them - I'm personally over add-ons and clutter, but that's me. I'm sure PS4 Pro 2, PS5 or whatever is coming next will include one. Perhaps they'll do a special edition pro or something with a UHD drive in the future? Not sure how feasible it will be for them though - guess it will depend on demand and how cheap they can do them for that production run. Apparently it costs MS $15 per unit to include a UHD drive in the xbone S.

Same here; add-ons like this just end up being clunky, clumsy, space-stealers that add to the cable clutter and always end up having some technical limitation (Xbox 360 HD-DVD add on comes to mind).

My main interest in the PS4 Pro right now is if it will improve performance of PSVR in any way. I pre-ordered the VR peripheral so I should be getting it on release day. If the PS4 Pro can improve performance or bump up the resolution then I'll upgrade as something tells me that supply won't be much of a problem even right out of the gate.

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Posted 18 September 2016 - 10:52 PM

View PostTonyDP, on 18 September 2016 - 10:48 AM, said:

View Postd2_s, on 15 September 2016 - 08:50 PM, said:

Even if they could make a UHD add-on I doubt it would sell that well or be worth the effort for them - I'm personally over add-ons and clutter, but that's me. I'm sure PS4 Pro 2, PS5 or whatever is coming next will include one. Perhaps they'll do a special edition pro or something with a UHD drive in the future? Not sure how feasible it will be for them though - guess it will depend on demand and how cheap they can do them for that production run. Apparently it costs MS $15 per unit to include a UHD drive in the xbone S.

Same here; add-ons like this just end up being clunky, clumsy, space-stealers that add to the cable clutter and always end up having some technical limitation (Xbox 360 HD-DVD add on comes to mind).

My main interest in the PS4 Pro right now is if it will improve performance of PSVR in any way. I pre-ordered the VR peripheral so I should be getting it on release day. If the PS4 Pro can improve performance or bump up the resolution then I'll upgrade as something tells me that supply won't be much of a problem even right out of the gate.

I'm hoping Sony can go into more detail about what PS4Pro does for VR soon. I'm getting the pro anyway as I'll be going with one of Sony's flagship 2016 SUHD displays soon. They are very reasonably priced, have excellent processing and are a nice introduction to 4K HDR based on what I've seen/read so far - they also suppport 3D, which some displays haven't even bothered with this year. Once things stabalise a bit I may get something fancier at a later date, but that will do for me seeing as it will only be a casual gaming display and I am not as bothered about tech and owning every gadget under the sun as I once was...old age etc.


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Posted 27 September 2016 - 06:51 PM

View Postd2_s, on 15 September 2016 - 08:50 PM, said:

I'm personally over add-ons and clutter, but that's me.
I totally agree that add-ons are normally clutter. (I don't think any were ever worse than the sideways, mini-360, book-shaped HD-DVD drive.) That's why I suggested the odd shape of the PS4 Pro might be to encourage people to buy the add-on that, when put on top of it, looks like it's part of the console and evens out the design to make the console look better than being on its own.
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Posted 03 February 2017 - 09:09 PM

http://www.eurogamer...n-more-smoothly

Check out the link above. Sony is actually enabling boost mode for ps4 pro. Older games that don't support ps4 pro enhancements can run at a higher frame rate. About time!

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Posted 06 February 2017 - 04:26 AM

The next update is also going to enable proper external hard drive support! About bloody time!

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Posted 06 February 2017 - 08:07 PM

View Postd2_s, on 06 February 2017 - 04:26 AM, said:

The next update is also going to enable proper external hard drive support! About bloody time!

Between this, improved PSVR cinema mode and enabling BluRay 3D support with PSVR, Sony is really upping its game. Can hardly wait for the 4.50 firmware.




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