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@  Brandino : (21 May 2017 - 09:39 PM) I watched only tid bits of the live stream... read much more online.  I'm very skeptical... it seems like they copied a lot of multiplayer ideas from Halo 5 and aside from bigger levels... wasn't really sold on the single player content
@  d2_s : (23 May 2017 - 06:29 AM) I was really impressed with the live stream and am looking forward to the game.  The only disappointment to me was all PvP modes being 4v4. Seems like a big step backwards if you ask me.
@  d2_s : (23 May 2017 - 04:27 PM) And of course still no dedicated servers...PvE looks solid though..
@  TonyDP : (23 May 2017 - 09:04 PM) Also not wild about the new weapon loadout system: two primaries and either a special or a heavy. It feels like another attempt to get players to focus on primaries in PvP but compromises your options in PvE.
@  ermac666 : (24 May 2017 - 06:46 AM) Games I am looking forward to for the rest of 2017 are tekken 7, uncharted lost legacy dlc, COD WWII, sonic forces, middle earth shadow of war and marvel vs capcom infinite.
@  colonel_j2020 : (01 June 2017 - 06:31 PM) The only new game this year I know I will play is destiny 2...mostly since I never played the first one.  I am curious about Sea Of Thieves and Crackdown 3.
@  ermac666 : (02 June 2017 - 10:16 AM) I just got tekken 7 on the ps4. Man, the presentation is top notch and the story mode was intense. i enjoyed it very much. Music is alo amazing. Tekken series always  has no shortage of good presentation and music along with fun gameplay. Highly recommend it!
@  d2_s : (06 June 2017 - 10:25 AM) @Tony I'm also iffy on the new loadout system. Seems like PvE is being limited by a loadout system that seems geared towards PvP. I am really disappointed by the PvP announcements. Just making it more competitive and geared towards pure PvP players IMO, but no dedicated servers and only 30fps goes against that. Time will tell.
@  d2_s : (06 June 2017 - 10:28 AM) @Ermac Tekken 7 is a very polished title, one of the best fighters available if not the best currently IMO. Speaking of polished titles I've been playing Wipeout Omega collection. It's simply sublime on PS4 Pro @2160p running at a rock solid 60fps.
@  TonyDP : (06 June 2017 - 05:30 PM) @d2_s, I've pretty much decided that I'm going to pass on Destiny 2; I really don't want to sink over a thousand hours into one game anymore and since picking up my PSVR "flat" games have become far less interesting.
@  d2_s : (07 June 2017 - 04:55 PM) I don't blame you. I'm already in, but unless it blows me away I wont be putting anywhere near the time I put into D1.
@  ermac666 : (13 June 2017 - 09:38 PM) Sony E3 presentaion is a mixed bag for me. The games shown are what I want, and I will definitely buy the games. The games are there, but the show itself was weak. They just showed slide after slide with no hype or presentation between them. Games/exclusives were great, but the energy wasn't there. My gripe is with the show itself, and not the games.
@  Brandino : (14 June 2017 - 01:16 AM) What's sad was Mario Odyssey graphically looks worse then Yooka Laylee...  Metroid Prime 4 is not being developed by Retro...
@  Brandino : (14 June 2017 - 01:17 AM) What's awesome was the South park video game looked hilarious and way over the top
@  TonyDP : (14 June 2017 - 08:37 PM) All the E3 presentations I saw were pretty blah. For me, Sony had the best games and their PSVR lineup was particularly impressive and showed a lot of potential. The XB1X disappointed me; it seems overpowered given the lack of 1st party titles and no VR support. I doubt much software will tap its full potential.
@  ermac666 : (17 June 2017 - 09:16 PM) I was watching a few vids on digital foundry's analysis on the XB1X. It seems that forza 7 was the only game that is native 4k, 60 fps. The rest shown at E3 like assassins creed origins are mostly checkerboard upscaled to 4K like the ps4 pro. I don't know if the XB1X is held back for parity with 3rd party games or if the XB1X is not powerful enough to handle 4K with no issues.
@  d2_s : (17 June 2017 - 10:00 PM) I read the same thing. I honestly never expected the majority of games to be native 4k anyway. It's a nicely balanced system with some nice grunt for a console, but it's no miracle box. I look forward to seeing how the XB1X and the Pro are used now that both major platforms have Faux K options devs will be supporting more.
@  TonyDP : (19 June 2017 - 07:10 PM) This is typical of 3rd party development though; they almost NEVER take full advantage of a specific platform's hardware. First party MS games like Forza will look the best, third party stuff like ACO will look comparable across all the platforms.
@  d2_s : (19 June 2017 - 10:16 PM) I'm in agreement with you Tony and I would hazzard a guess that Sony's own exclusives will be impressive enough that people wont be wishing they were on XB1X much like the X1's exclusives were technically as good as anything else.
@  ermac666 : (20 June 2017 - 06:37 AM) I am quite impressed with the ps4 exclusives like days gone where there are tons of zombies on screen, and the game still maintains the frame rate and graphical fidelity. It is also no typical shooter where you endlessly just shoot down zombies. You have to utilise the environments and stealth to play. Story looks to be good as well.

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#1 Brandino

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Posted 20 October 2016 - 06:37 PM

I checked out the preview trailer today and I'm surprised that I'm saying this....  I am actually excited and interested in purchasing a new Nintendo console!@?!?

I remember ripping the Wii and it's name back in the day on these boards and then completely ignoring the Wii-U.

I like the idea of being able to bring the console with me to work and playing with my co workers during lunch  and/or being able to play on the go when I'm stuck going to boring kids activities.  

I am very curious about the price,  the battery life and if this console will be super awesome and include a browser and other features...
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Posted 20 October 2016 - 08:01 PM

I have zero interest in mobile games. I have even less interest in Nintendo's IPs. The video does not get into the power of the console but if the guts of it are in the tablet section that can be removed then I can't imagine it will be even as powerful as an Xbox One / PS4, to say nothing of the PS4 Pro or Scorpio (it will probably be more along the lines of a Nvidia Shield). Going back to cartridges for game storage and no mention of how much onboard storage it has suggests that games with massive add-ons like Destiny or the Call of Duty titles will be beyond the scope of the device. And of course the games look typically childish and kiddy. Kind of interesting that Nintendo has finally ditched all the gimmicky controllers and gone back to what is essentially a standard gamepad.

Bottom line: Interesting modular design but just not for me given how I play or the titles I have interest in.

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Posted 21 October 2016 - 02:09 AM

My first thought was "Yeah, those slide-on controllers won't be breaking off anytime soon."

Either Nintendo will have a rule of no hard games, (to limit frustration,) or it's part of their grand scheme to help parents raise well behaved kids that don't rage. Cuz if they do rage, they punish themselves by taking their own controller away, in a manner of speaking, when they break them in two. :-P
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Posted 21 October 2016 - 02:30 AM

Interesting video and concept. At least they are marketing it right unlike what they did with the wii u that confused a lot of people who are casual. I can see it selling, but there are many things that are not very clear. Is it cartridge only (no online purchases of games) and how is the storage capacity? Any touch screen controls? Will it run current ports from ps4/X1? How will be the battery life be if you use it outside of your home? Pro switch controller included in the package?

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Posted 21 October 2016 - 05:12 PM

I am concerned they show nothing of the specs.  I'm also concerned that games will be gimped needing to be able to be played on the tablet and a TV.
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Posted 22 October 2016 - 04:14 AM

I love Nintendo's IPs and really enjoyed the excellent exclusives on the Wii U. What I don't love is how unfriendly to 3rd parties Nintendo's platforms tend to be and as cool as this new contraption looks, I'm not sure I'm up for the extra clutter just for a slow trickle of Nintendo exclusives. I sold my Wii U to my brother-in-law and I've found PS4, PC and X1 more than meet my needs - despite occassionally missing Mario Kart and Splatoon. I'm even considering losing xbox in the long term seeing as I can play their games and use their controller on PC. Nintendo is going to have to blow my socks to get me back to buying their consoles again. Either that or it's going to have to be dirt cheap.

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Posted 28 October 2016 - 12:35 PM

View Postd2_s, on 22 October 2016 - 04:14 AM, said:

I love Nintendo's IPs and really enjoyed the excellent exclusives on the Wii U. What I don't love is how unfriendly to 3rd parties Nintendo's platforms tend to be and as cool as this new contraption looks, I'm not sure I'm up for the extra clutter just for a slow trickle of Nintendo exclusives. I sold my Wii U to my brother-in-law and I've found PS4, PC and X1 more than meet my needs - despite occassionally missing Mario Kart and Splatoon. I'm even considering losing xbox in the long term seeing as I can play their games and use their controller on PC. Nintendo is going to have to blow my socks to get me back to buying their consoles again. Either that or it's going to have to be dirt cheap.

Pretty much exactly this. I could see this being really popular for families though if the battery life is good. I also like the idea of the cartridges (with a couple assumptions).
1. No moving parts, hopefully better battery life than a disk.
2. Hopefully it's just a fast SD card essentially. Then if the game doesn't have updates you wouldn't really need to install it like you do with XBONE or PS4 games.

I think this will be another generation of Nintendo trying to go it alone without decent 3rd party support. I don't think it is possible for this thing to have enough power to not make porting to it more work than is worth it. Perhaps mobile games will be easy enough to port, and there are a lot of people out there playing mobile games so who knows, but I'm not really in that market I guess.

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Posted 29 October 2016 - 01:56 AM

Regarding price, it may technically (in a way,) provide more value than just a console, because it's both a console & a portable gaming system. However, Nintendo really needs to keep in mind that the customer base of people looking to buy BOTH SIMULTANEOUSLY is very small compared to the number of people who ONLY want a console or ONLY want a portable system. Especially since a lot of people will probably only see it as a portable game device that can also be seen on a TV, not as a mobile device and also a console.

If Nintendo prices it based on its full possible provided value, it's already lost.  There just aren't enough people in that demographic. I bet that's a really hard pill for them to swallow, especially since they traditionally don't sell consoles at a loss like the others do.

With that said, good luck Nintendo. The more, the merrier. Try to give MS & Sony a run for their money & show them how to sell games that don't need 1GB-day-1 patches to finish the game.
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Posted 29 October 2016 - 02:35 AM

cracked had a good article about the future failure of the Switch....   http://www.cracked.c...erstand-humans/

I do agree that the commercial is funny in where people join around to play on a tiny screen.
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Posted 20 December 2016 - 08:01 PM

Oh look, another Nintendo launch!

At this point, I can say that I will likely be buying one. I'm a huge Nintendo fanboy, so no shock there. I just wonder outside of other Nintendo fans like myself, who else is the target market?

I think it will do okay. Zelda as a launch title with all of the other Nintendo properties will easily ensure that the system sells 10+ million units over the first year... I just wonder what will happen if/when they make an exclusive Pokemon game for the system.
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Posted 20 December 2016 - 10:09 PM

View PostBrandino, on 29 October 2016 - 02:35 AM, said:

cracked had a good article about the future failure of the Switch....   http://www.cracked.c...erstand-humans/

I do agree that the commercial is funny in where people join around to play on a tiny screen.

The article makes some interesting points. Personally I don't see the point of the system. If you want to game on the go, use a phone or dedicated portable gaming device. If you want to game at home, use a console. To me those two activities are very distinct, separate things that offer very different experiences. It's too overpowered for a portable and that small screen means any finer details in the visuals will be lost. It's not as powerful as a dedicated console so cross-platform games will look visibly worse with it. Like the article says, it's basically a tablet with some controllers slapped on it.

In the end, this will be like every other Nintendo console since the Gamecube: good sales out of the gate (but nowhere near as good as the Wii), quick drop-off in sales once the fanboys have gotten theirs; abandonment by the few worthwhile third party developers once sales tank; a trickle of first party titles to keep the diehards in the fold until the cycle starts all over again (or until Nintendo gets wise and decides to focus on software only). Also, exclusive IPs like Mario and Pokemon won't be as effective system sellers if those same IP's are available on phones.

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Posted 20 December 2016 - 10:54 PM

I read online that the system (GPU) runs 60% slower when it's off the dock in order to keep the system cool.   That scares me a lot!
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Posted 14 January 2017 - 07:14 PM

So the info is now out....  yikes those price points are to high for me.
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Posted 14 January 2017 - 08:55 PM

In my opinion, the presentation was was a abysmal failure. The console is pretty much a Nividia Shield level console (ie: less powerful than original PS4 or Xbox One) yet they're asking $300 for it and it doesn't appear to even come with a pack-in game. I thought they were finally getting away from the waggle gimmicks and what do they show but another title full of waggles.

It has only one (maybe two) worthwhile games at launch and that's only if you like Nintendo's IP's (there are a lot of us that don't).

The only third party titles announced were FIFA by EA and Skyrim. So we have a soccer game that will probably look and play better on every other platform and a 5 year old game that everyone has already played (the system isn't even powerful enough to run the new remastered version). And this time the number of games at launch is also dismally small.

The problem Nintendo has had for at least the last 10 years is that the only people interested in their consoles have been die-hard Nintendo fans. It's a given that they will buy the Switch when it is released no matter the price. But for the rest of us there is absolutely nothing here at all.

Nintendo has already failed in the home console market; something tells me they're well on the way to burying their portable market as well.

Easy pass for me.

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Posted 14 January 2017 - 09:47 PM

Initially when they first revealed it, I thought that the concept was cool, and that the casuals will catch on. After this presentation, I am not sure anymore. I don't think the 3rd party support will be strong outside of the initial 1 or 2 years. You can argue that the wii u actually had more 3rd party titles at launch! It only has 32 GB storage. The processor is weak even by mobile standards (ARM cortex A-57 cores when android phones out now have ARM cortex-A72 cores or equivalent), the pay-to-play online might hurt them as they are not in the same position as MS/Sony, and they should be doing the opposite and not following them to be different.

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Posted 21 January 2017 - 02:14 AM

After letting the Switch news sit with me for a while and reading more info about it.   I do think it was a completely poor presentation and a terrible idea on how they are launching it.  

The complete lack of games is alarming,   they have Zelda,  a lot of ports and then Mario at X-mas.

The pay to play online where you only keep that SNES/NES game for that month sucks.   Apparently it's not clear but their is a chance that you would have to use your cell phone and an app for online voice chat?  If that's true then Nintendo needs to stop doing hardware ASAP.

I did like one article I read online where they said they should of just released the switch without the tv accessory and put the focus on a powerful portable gaming device.  Sell the TV hook up separately.

I have extreme doubts on this machine...  I have a feeling that it might be another Wii-U.
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Posted 21 January 2017 - 09:11 PM

Don't forget the 32gb of onboard storage; this is a ridiculously small amount in this day and age. I've also read several articles about developers literally laughing when asked if their games would be ported to Switch, citing the lack of horsepower and storage as reasons very few modern-gen games could run on the system. Nintendo will be going it alone again and they clearly haven't learned from their past mistakes.

Between the base $300 asking price for a bare bones console with no pack in, another $50-60 for a game, probably $20 or more for additional storage, even more cash for the preferred controller for playing off the TV, the real price of entry is closer to $400 and that doesn't even include the cost of accessing their online services.

I've also read about that ridiculous decision to use a phone app for core online services like chat and matchmaking.

They really should quit the hardware game and focus on software.

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Posted 22 January 2017 - 02:07 PM

Agree with B and Tony. Looks like Wii U 2.0 to me.

The base system in Australia is priced at $470 AUD without a game. Switch games such as Zelda and Mario are being advertised in the vicinity of $90-$100. Wii U games topped at $90 and were typically $60-$80. 3DS games topped at $60 AUD. They're pricing themselves out of both the handheld and console markets IMO.

Most people have smart phones/tablets already and X1S and PS4 can be had from $350-$400 AUD with pack in games. Why would anyone other than a hardcore Nintendo fan bother with this thing?

That being said when the prices start coming down, it could do pretty well if it's seen as the successor to the DS.

Either way, 1st Ninty console I'll be passing on at launch me thinks.

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Posted 02 March 2017 - 12:57 AM

http://ca.ign.com/ar...o-switch-review

This is not looking good at all for Nintendo...  

Controller issues,  bad graphics,  framerate issues on tv mode....  

Maybe next time around they will focus on making a quality home console and a quality portable rather then melting the two together..
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Posted 02 March 2017 - 07:54 PM

Everything I've read basically says that the system works best in handheld mode, even though it is way too bulky to be truly considered portable. When connected to a TV, the system's limitations quickly become obvious as even Legend of Zelda, their flagship title at launch, has severe framerate dips and the mediocre textures become quite obvious. So you have a portable that is really too big to be a practical portable and a console that is woefully underpowered so any ports are pretty much guaranteed to be inferior.




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